DC copier - this time for real?

[hatch]

The following page introduces a very interesting device ... http://simedia2000.webjump.com
Anyone with further infos?

-hatch-

[Baba]

Interesting, I wonder if anybody knows anything about it?

[Harrison Electronics]

Even if it is real... did you see the ungodly price on it? I know our unit isnt cheap.. but 800 bucks to back up dreamcast games?

[Vertigo]

Yeh the price is dangerous but then you get the 'commercial' guys who buy the copier and sell on the discs to us lovely people for £5 or £10.
Obv. you don't march to the store and copy them yourself... unless your name is.... HECTIC!

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[fab]

If it's been said once it's been said 1000 times: Any company that has to use a free web page to hock their wares is more than likely a scam.

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fab

[Sweed]

I suppose if anyone were to release a GD Burner it would be Yamaha as they make Sega's drives

[Doggie]

I heard that PacketCD which is bundled with the Yamaha burners will copy DC discs. This is possible because PacketCD increases the size of a 650mb disc to over a gig. Then it copies the data using incremental packet writing. You may need special software to read the hidden files though. There is software out there called BlindCopy that will do this.

Go to http://www.cequadrat.com to find out more about PacketCD.

-Dogg.

[hatch]

There's some more details at http://dcmodnews.cjb.net (in their forum).

-hatch-

[Harrison Electronics]

But if you read thier site, it copies onto CD's not blank GD's... so if a commercial guy started "selling the xeroxes" you'd still need the $800 unit .. THAT EMULATES THE COPIED GAMES

[This message has been edited by Harrison Electronics (edited 10-05-1999).]

[Nintense]

hmm, isn't it like less than $400 without the cdrw though? It sounds like you'll be able to hook it up to your pc too, in which case you could just use your old cdr.

[COM]

According to an interview I read a while back with a 'source' from Sega, GDROMs are actually created from normal blank CDs using a special writing process with a normal CDR using a special SCSI controller(NO, YOU CANNOT COPY A DC GAME USING PACKET CD OR ANY OTHER AVAILABLE SOFTWARE). Although totally unconfirmed, it does seem to make sense, considering a normal PC CDROM can read the area of the GDROM which does not hold the high density data. Also, the extended blank area on the disc is designed to prevent the high density game data from being read on a PC, which would seem to suggest that it would be readable if the blank area weren't there. Why try to prevent a PC from reading the game data if they would need special hardware and discs to copy it? Is Sega really that paranoid?
In any case, it raises some questions, but don't forget that this is based on hearsay.

[Pokeboy]

It is true that DC games can be copied. I have found one site that tells about a special device you plug in into your memory card slot. This site is not well made and it looks fake. There are some dealers in Hong Kong that already sell copied Dreamcast Games and they claim that they are able to play on the Asian Dreamcasts. It wasn't burned, but rather pressed so the DC will think that it's an original game. Please do not ask me where to find the copied DC games, because honestly I have no clue where and it's illegal to buy pirated games.

[KLoNE]

And you heard this from who? Your cousins, friends, uncles, internet buddy? Just becuase you have heard they they exist does not mean that they do, a correct statement would be "i have heard that they exist". Isnt it amazing that no one has actually seen them (except a few lamers who say they have bought some on irc). If they existed we would all know about them, and most likely know a place to get them.

PS: What was the point of telling us about that site that had info but was fake?

PSS: DC Emulators are real. I have seen a site that has info on them, but it is fake.

[bugs]

That thingy is a fake!!
They bullshitting all the time "connect the interface between the DC mainboard and the GD-Rom lens" Excuse me?? What ???

[Hectic]

Sega sucks

[handy]

Is it just me but does it look like that thing cannot copy a cd? Any CD copier would have to have TWO cdrom drives & that one only has one.

[Mr. GoldenEye]

Maybe Actraiser could introduce himself to them and they are so amazed about Dextrose so that they send them a free copier which he can test and then report to us!

[Vertigo]

1) Pokéboy's back. Ahem.
2) Trust Hectic for an in-depth intelligent debate. Hehe.
3) I'm glad people are finding it hard to copy GD-ROMs, I'm happy for Sega, hopefully it looks like they've really got their shit together this time around and hopefully Nintendo will a similar or more advanced protection system for 'Dolphin' discs.
4) 'Dolphin' is still a long time off, and the PS2 looks like a damn router board for gods sake. Looking at pictures of the PS2, it just doesn't have that wow factor that makes me want one sitting under my TV and by adding all the gadgety shit I think it's just watering down the market.
No matter what all these marketing wankers say, I for one DO NOT want one machine that can do everything averagely. If I want an entertainment centre, I'll go and buy each component seperately and make sure I'm getting top quality, not a jack-of-all-trades like the way PS2 appears to be heading. I for one hope that this time around both Sega and Nintendo destroy the PS2 with some great games and let Sony flood the market with all that generic shite that the casuals bought last time around. Obviously Sony are virtually indestructible as far as cash is concerned, but a good kick in their ass wouldn't go amiss.
I still wish for a game featuring both Sonic and Mario. I'd truly love to see it released dual-platform for Sega and Nintendo's sakes and also to prove to the world what a great game these two companies can make. Well we'll see what happens in the war over the next 18 months or so anyway won't we, and I for one can't wait.

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[Skillionaire]

http://surf.to/dreamcastcopies is another site. Looks like a scam to me though.

[Schweino]

I think the dc-copier is full of crap.

here are some GDrom specs:

A GD-ROM uses only 1/4 of the actual surface area on the disc for data. Within that small space, it can hold up to one gigabyte (calculated binary, not decimally, so 1,073,741,824 bytes) of data. The other 3/4 of the disc is reserved for audio. Following the ISO9660 file format standard, if the disc is placed in a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive, the table of contents is readable. However, the data contained within is kept a mystery to both types of drives.

A rumor has been passed around that SEGA adapted one of
the 1st generation DVD prototypes, then compressed the helicals into a smaller package, then used an exsting standard for the rest of the disc. Unfortunately, SEGA wants to keep the details of this format a well-guarded secret, so that piracy does not become a factor.

Only three companies in the US are able to prodice these discs. Maxell, Denon, and TDK, I believe. The failure rate is tremendous for these as well, 1:5 is defective. As an added slap in the face to pirates, if the format is ever broken, SEGA included hardware copy protection to their consoles, the same way Sony did with the PlayStation. An area in the printed discs is not copyable by the "Katana," SEGA's GD-Writer (which, incidentally, is $2300 and only available to developers. It takes 4 hours to burn a single disc. The blank media, also only available from SEGA, is $12.00 a piece.).

SEGA supplies a system disc that allows developers to boot copies or prototypes. However, these discs are fairly expensive, and are coded with a serial number by SEGA, so if one gets out, and is mass-produced, and SEGA gets a hold of it, they will know who was responsible for letting the disc out of their posession.

Because of this I believe that the advertised DC copiers are false.

I did find a site claiming to sell DC pir8 cd's for $7,- Seems to me this can hardly be true.

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I'm not suffering from insanity,
I'm enjoying every minute of it!




[This message has been edited by Schweino (edited 10-06-1999).]

[Schweino]

Forgot to mention:

I also have a powerpiont presentation from Sega corp. explaining the technical info of a GDrom, I can sent it to Actraiser if he wants to put it on Dextrose. Lemme know if I have to send it Act.



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=Schweino=

I'm not suffering from insanity,
I'm enjoying every minute of it!

[fiznutz]

i agree with vertigo
sony should be taught a lesson with that mainstream lame lifestyle crap they are trying to sell with their advert campaigns
and honestly where there anything besides
FF7,tekken3,resident evil 1!!! the sequel
sucked as far as im concerned,ok lets throw in GT as well. as a consumer electronics company i like sony
but they shouldnt get to cooky on the video
games market ive always liked sega and im gonna stick to them until N releases dolphin

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[Vertigo]

Damn, I try to be controversial and people start agreeing with me hehe.
Most probably though, Schweino, some details of the GD-ROM format will be listed in the patent office records, and registered either here or in Japan, or in all territories that need it. Even the N64 pad and memory card are listed in the American office online.
Although whether we can actually do anything with the specs is another story altogether, remember Mega-CD and 32X are still not properly exmulated (although I think 32X has been broken now)? I don't really favour emulators that much, but Sega got it pretty much right once with the Mega-CD format using a standard CD-ROM, so why not again with GD-ROM?
It took HongKong about 2 weeks to crack the N64 hardware and I believe around a month to create the PSX mod-chip so once again I say, well done Sega, for a great system that seems to have defeated the pirates so far.

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[Schweino]

Okey guys,

for those who are interested, the -classified- http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/wink.gif powerpiont presentation from Sega USA can be found at:
www.cdfreaks.com/console (http://www.cdfreaks.com/console)



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=Schweino=

I'm not suffering from insanity,
I'm enjoying every minute of it!

[Skillionaire]

As far as I know, pirates defeated Sega's pirate protection last January- look at www.dreamcast.co.uk (http://www.dreamcast.co.uk) , somewhere in the news archives is a story about it. I don't know if it's true, but take a look and see for yourself.