Dont let the n64 scene die

[Trunks_SSJ3]

I love nintendo and everything that has been made by it (except the virtual boy, what were they smokin then??) The n64 is their biggest step and i dont want it to die off any time soon. I reckon if RedBox and Hartec wanna start the dc scene then let someone else continue the n64 scene so its atleast updated more frequently. Sorry guys but i love it when i see a new release or somethin posted here http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif. Why does anyone like the dc anyway. PSX 2 in a few months dolphin next year. Biggest waste of money ive seen since the psx. Well ive ranted and raved enough. (Takes another swig of bourbon). :P

-= The N64 Scence will never die =-

[famicom64]

Hey-

I am really new to the scene, but I would really like to let a few opinions out.

Firstly, I bought an N64 the day it came out. I played it up until the time of Goldeneye, and after that got very bored of the system. I sold the console, but now am interested in buying a new N64 for Perfect dark and some of the other games that I missed.

Why do people try to dismiss other systems from being any good? I find it ironic that you diss the PSX and DC when the majority of the console gaming community views the N64 as the "worst" of the 3 systems. I love all the systems, dreamcast is certainly not a waste of money if you are a hardcore gamer. If you are a versatile gamer and you have the funds, you should really own all the major systems. There is something for everyone on each of the consoles.

just my thoughts and not a flame..just remember that open minds open doors.

peace

famicom64

[racerx]

I think they are all fairly good systems, but nobody seems to give the n64 the right amount of credit its due. The DC is a great system, but it reminds me tooo much of the turbo graphix 16. I'm afraid when the psx2 comes out it will blow it away, but thats the way the cookie crumbles http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/frown.gif Sega did a good job, but they always have a habit of showing their hand early. IT kills them in the console market place, because everyone comes out after with bigger and better machines. Nintendo on the other hand shows their hand too late. It would be really kewl to see them join up, because maybe if the differing philosophy's were to clash, then we would get a company that actually releases their games and consoles on time.

[Darkflame]

I think that nintendo's late entry into the gaming department is both good and bad..Nintendo is always a year behind everyone promising a year extra of technology included, but the problem with that is while nintendo is always the most innovative at the times of it's release, it's always behind on the R&D because the other guys are already starting on their next system while nintendo is releasing their next system...What nintendo needs to be doing is releasing better systems at the same time as sony and sega...then it'll start to turn heads..

[Trunks_SSJ3]

I like ur way of thinkin darkflame. Teach those sony boys a lesson. http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif :P

[RedboX]

Originally posted by Trunks_SSJ3:
I reckon if RedBox and Hartec wanna start the dc scene then let someone else continue the n64 scene so its atleast updated more frequently.

I reckon that I could'nt give two figs for the DreamCast "scene", my views on that are well known, and I will re-iterate them later on. Hartec tho, as you might know is mad keen on the DreamCast and has been working on some DreamCast stuff long before the "scene" took off. Those of you have been visting dextrose for a long time, will remeber the "www.dc.dextrose.com" url that was in use for sometime, however it was not renewed when we moved to our new host. Some people recently have re-discovered hartec's stite and are using it as proof conclusive. Im sure Hartec is upto something with the site, but thats nothing to do with me.

Why does anyone like the dc anyway. PSX 2 in a few months dolphin next year.

The reason the DC is suddenly soo popular is because all those people out there are now seeing a way to get free games, take a look at dciso's forum, it's stuffed full of people who's sole aim in life is to leech every ISO releases so far. Not onlt is it sad, it's not a "scene".

I personaly belive that the Dreamcast (and the PSX, PSX2,etc) are not consoles, they are something else, consoles are devices that use Cartridges, Devices like the PSX/Dreamcast are just glorified CD players. If you take a look at the avarage DC/PSX game it's 90% FMV, and 10% code.

The days of Consoles are just about over, with only the GBA left in the running. The days of what we whould call a scene are just about over with it..

I could give you lots of examples of why it's the case, but if you know what a real scene was you will know that it is gone and why.

However, I will relay this little story I was told recently.

As I'm sure most of you are aware, Menace released just about every NeoGeoPocket Game there was, other groups joining in, but Menace produced the vast majority. The guys in Menace went out of thier way to get these games, importing them from Japan, and building thier own interface to dump the roms, long before any comercial unit was available..

And what did they get for this effort, a flood of people wanting to know why certain games did'nt work with the emulator.

[^TeR^RoR^]

/me is crying http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[Cid]

Originally posted by RedboX:

I personaly belive that the Dreamcast (and the PSX, PSX2,etc) are not consoles, they are something else, consoles are devices that use Cartridges, Devices like the PSX/Dreamcast are just glorified CD players. If you take a look at the avarage DC/PSX game it's 90% FMV, and 10% code.


It's true that many DC/PSX games has FMV, but far from all. The first Dc-game I got was Sega Rally 2 and it has no FMV at all. The same goes for Crazy Taxi, and the for know very hyped Virtua tennis. And what is wrong with FMV anyway? As long the game is good I don't mind a cool FMV intro. But when a game is made more of FMV's then actuall gameplay it's just sad.
Anyway, I can't understand why the dc ain't a console just because it uses cd's as the storage media...

[RedboX]

When a "console" uses cd's as it's storage media (and lets not start a "Dreamcast uses GD's" as we all know they are really cd's with a different file system), it means the loosers out there will have a field day copying them on thier cdr's.

With a real console, you need to have slighty more of a clue.

[luna_securit]

slightly ? Ive had more than a fook on trying to get some of the games to play http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/biggrin.gif thats where I get my fun ....
I totally agree with the cd thing - I dont enjoy cd games at all, I chipped a psx for me boss the other week (I used to own one too) And I couldn't believe the loading times espesh that sony advert at the start - that really gets my goat.
FMV - how many times have you quickly pressed a button just to get over it?

Its gonna be a shame when the farttube gets released too with dvd - recordable dvd and fast internet connections will become the next "scene" when prices come down

oh and it wouldn't suprise me if that boot loader cd was "accidently" leaked out of sega just to boost their console sales.

[racerx]

while I hold the n64 scene in high regard as being one of the last latest and greatest console scenes, the Neo Geo Scene is the best. its a whole different animal, because there are no neo geo hardware emus. All the games are played by software emulators, and the dumps are made by unsoldering chips from the carts and dumping them via eeprom reader. The other thing I think is fascinating is the almost necessity of the scene. The neo geo games are damn near unavailable, and often require donations from owners unlike other consoles. I love the n64 scene tho. Its fun, and not many people know what backup units are so they surprise the hell out of your psx burning friends

[Cid]

Who cares what storage media the game is on? And who cares about the load up time for the psx? I can't belive that you guys actually care about that shit. I only care about how fun a game is. And just for the record, Virtua Tennis has no loadtimes at all, but Perfect Dark actually has.
And I actually like FMV's. They might only be fun to watch once or twice, but then you can just skip them. What's bad with that?

[Kaiser Ben]

I agree. who cares what system as long as the game is good. Skip the FMV? Have you played Final Fantasy VIII luna? It`s so good you`ll be begging for more http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[luna_securit]

until interactive fmv comes around - I see no point in it - final fantasy III (6) was great without the fmv - If I want to watch a film Ill watch the matrix thank you very much - I bought final fantasy 7 for the pc and was very dissapointed (I didn't even bother finishing it - (last original I ever bought - except the stuff for my kiddie http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif ).
True I like playing anything on anything as long as there is something good to play - half life is one of my mostest favorestest FPS and thats on pc (and that doesn't have fmv but kind've interactive fmv at the start - at least you can do something..)

[worthless_utopia]

fmv may be nice, but I'd rather have a game that plays. I won't hold my breath for the ps2 since rrV was dull and I think it's all hot air. at least the DC has some decent games that look great (I don't own a DC btw) I think that the dolphin is the real one to get excited about now that big N has sort of got their shit together. the n64 is far from dead, and even if nothing was released again from today - I am sure you've got enough to last you well until the dolphin has a pokémon game :) let's not argue about about ps2/dc/x - let's just enjoy our 64 while we can.

[wicket64]

The way CD consoles use FMV just irritate me. Developing games is all about coding, not about putting FMV in to fill up all the extra CD space. With coded sequences that use the game's engine which you only tend to find on the N64, you get a taste of what the game can do. FMVs only show what a Sun workstation or what ever they're developed on can do, or sometimes they even just film some poor actors instead.

[Skillionaire]

FMVs are like reading the text in the old SNES RPGs- they just help the story along, but in a prettier way. I don't see what the beef is with it, as long as it doesn't take forever, it's OK.

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[Sarah]

Itll speed up when school begins. Kids are busy now.

[This message has been edited by Sarah (edited 18 July 2000).]

[Sarah]

Every summer at this time, people post this same message about things slowing! arg

This is because Nintendo are waiting for the shopping season to begin to offer the better stuff.

patience.


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[Kaiser Ben]

I see no reason to diss the PS2, all consoles struggle in the beginning. Not many games, and most of them are not very good.
It took months before the N64 had a handfull of decent games. Besides I think Tekken Tag is awesome http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[marsares]

what would you think of a game where you can't skip the FMV cutscene ?

Well in Zelda OOT you can't.

[filler]

zelda doesnt have FMV.

[luna_securit]

text is different from fmv - you had the option to read the text as fast as you wanted or simply press a button to skip past it - at least you could read what was going on - FMV - just skip - miss the story.
Zelda is in a class of its own the rendered on the fly cut scenes (not fmv) make the story.

[Kaiser Ben]

Maybe zelda didnt have FMV, but if it had been on PSX, Im sure it would have been instead of those cutscenes. The FF8 FMV did the same thing, told a story, it just did it with a lot more style http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Cid]

Originally posted by luna_securit:

Zelda is in a class of its own the rendered on the fly cut scenes (not fmv) make the story.

Why is it better if the cutscenes is rendered on the fly? It's still just a none interactive movie your watching. Prerendered or rendered on the fly shouldn't matter. The only difference is that the FMV will look 50 times better, and if you have a problem with that, I just feel sorry for you...

[Vertigo]

Before I make my main point.
The better thing about using in-game engines to render cut scenes is: like with zelda, if you have different items etc, or if different things have happened before that cut-scene, it can be shown in the video, instead of just a standard FMV, the cut-scene will include elements that make more sense to the story.
But anyway, as far as killing the 'scene' goes, whatever, time flows like a river, and history repeats.... (hehehe one for the trainspotters there)
And we all know the games for the next Nintendo machine will be superior as far as first and second party is concerned, they always are, but I just hope they don't cock it up like the N64. If ppl want to develop games for it then let them, coz the Nintendo rating system will (hopefully as they say) get rid of any gobshite before it is published. (Although who at Nintendo's lovely little treehouse liked Aerogauge etc the list goes on, has problems and should be taken out and shot coz if they're making decisions about what I get to play then hey, pay me to do it instead.)

[luna_securit]

I dont have a problem with FMV just not in vast quantities - I dont want to sit through a 10 min pre rendered scene - Some game over rely on it.

"perfect" example of cut scenes is perfect dark - you follow the movie in and start exactly where the movie left off - great

Man am I tired http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Cid]

Originally posted by Vertigo:
And we all know the games for the next Nintendo machine will be superior as far as first and second party is concerned, they always are

Well, that's your opinion. You can call me an idiot, but I liked FF7 far more then I liked The ocarina of time. In my opinion there are 3 games on the n64 that stands out above the rest, Mario64, Goldeneye and ISS98. Those were the n64 games I had most fun with. And I also think that the psx has as many really good games as the n64, although the n64 is superior when it comes to multiplayer games.

And if Nintendo won't do anything but sequals(like they have done with the n64) for the dolphin, I'll guess I have to pass on that console...



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[luna_securit]

ok some people like it some people dont e.g. the cutscene in ff7 where you go up and down in that tram thingy to the casino thingy (cant remember wasn't that memorable to me...) imagine instead of a boring cutscene - which if i remember rightly you couldn't skip - it cut inside the tram thingy and you could still walk around inside talking to people generally making a scene during this boring part of the game... thus making it more interactive. FF3 did this with a train if I remember rightly...
oh vert wasn't that a line outtve ff3 ???

[racerx]

the perfect idea of cinema's in a game came from an interview with Yu Suzuki (I think) one of the guys who did shenmue. He's like nintendo's miyamoto (every company has one) only he works for sega. He stated that all the cut scenes in Shenmue (the best dc game ever) are real time, because the game has too many intricate details that fmv would leave out. He also didn't want a huge gap between the ingame graphics and the fmv. Also, with all these next generation machines having the power of a rendering machine inside of them, it won't be such a leap from the ultra kewl fmv graphics back to the game. I predict that many dev houses will forgo fmv entirely for real time cinemas, because all u need is some decent scripting and voice acting. Its consumes less space and the new consoles should be able to do the fmv in real time. Did anyone know that the cinemas in Metal Gear Solid VR (which really sucked by the way) were generated in real time on a Playstation 2?

Anyway, I gotta go. If you can handle reading my posts, I commend u. I write like a drunken, schizophrenic monkey on drugs, cuz I got about 2 hours of sleep. Cyall

[Cid]

Originally posted by luna_securit:
the cutscene in ff7 where you go up and down in that tram thingy to the casino thingy (cant remember wasn't that memorable to me...) imagine instead of a boring cutscene - which if i remember rightly you couldn't skip - it cut inside the tram thingy and you could still walk around inside talking to people generally making a scene during this boring part of the game... thus making it more interactive.

The cutscene you are talking about lasted for about 20-30 seconds and it were only shown once. Did it really bore you that much?

[luna_securit]

oh look i dont want to argue - im far tooooo tired http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/biggrin.gif but im just trying to make a point about excessive fmv and non interactivity - Say I loved ressie evil on the psx - that had great relevent FMV and there has been others BTW how did this post morph into this discussion ??? Im as I say not a huge fan on FMV..... nuff said.

[Sarah]

The thing is the new game machines use huge files that are too big to download. Sure you can get DSL modesm to download them but finding a server that can keep such a huge post completely is tricky.

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[Girth]

Huh....Fanboys. I'll never understand 'em. Even if I live to be a hundred years old...... You get zero respect from me everytime. Whenever anyone says this system is shit, that system is shit, but THIS other system is brilliant! It's lovely, it's made by a company that loves me....
Yo lose ALL respect! nuff said.

[Paul_Bunyan]

The N64 is going to be the last hardware emulated system. There are hundreds of reasons for this, I don't really want to list them all, I just hope they don't stop making N64 games anytime soon.

There may be software emulators relesed for these newer systems, but you'd need a pretty nice PC to run the games. And you can forget about downloading the games off the 'net...And also you need a DVD-RAM drive to copy DC and PS2 games, and also with the Dolphin.

So it's a shame that it will all end (as we know it anyway) with the demise of the N64, but oh well, something new and excitinng will present itself...Hopefully...But I'm not even going to worry about it, so far these new systems don't have much to offer game-wise, I have no desire for a DC or a PS2, or probably even a Dolphin...The X-Box looks pretty lame too.

And in my opinion the PC will forever reign as the gaming champion. You can't beat it.

Anyway, I've rambled on long enough, hehe... http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Vertigo]

Yeh CID, well that's personal opinion about FF7, personally with all the FF series I thought there were too many random battles, and I prefer the Chrono Trigger/Seiken Densetsu style, where with a load of battles you get the chance to avoid it, instead of hoping that the Run Away randomizer will let you run. But that's just personal opinion.
However, FF6 is still the best.
And no, it's not, luna, but it IS from a Super Famicom game.

[luna_securit]

vert - oh - ive heard it somewhere tho' cant remember where.... chronotrigger perhaps - eh now there where the days....
oh and to prove im not biased about any console - today I played anna whatyermercaller smash tennis psx on vgs using my works PC - and had a great time http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif
- nice

Still ff7 was a huge letdown to me - Ive played all of the series and to be let down like that was truly terrible.....

[Cid]

Yeah, there's really no need to argue. I'm gonna go and play some Virtua Tennis instead http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Vertigo]

Luna nah it's the other one, Seiken Densetsu 2. In the intro.
Hmm anyway, I played All Star Tennis 99 the other day, coz it was the only tennis game I got right now, and it's (to qoute) 'fag'.
So erm, any better tennis for the 64?
Or am I gong to have to force myself to play PD some more.... hardship or what.

[luna_securit]

nah i think we'll have to wait for mario tennis - looks great. released shortly I hope..... and Zelda MOM is released sooner in the us - yay....

[Cid]

Vertigo: Centre Court Tennis is awesome. Doesn't look to good, but it plays great. I think that it was only realeased in japan/europe.

[Vertigo]

Cool CID I'll have to get 'someone who knows who they are' to send me CCT, coz AST99 looks like shit _and_ plays like shit :P

[filler]

the best part about cct is you can make your female character wear only panties, a bra, and some bunny ears.

[arrid]

Really?

Sweet! http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Vertigo]

Sweet :)
Can you make them ride around on nuclear missiles too? Or am I just having flashbacks to Keio Flying Squadron again?

[Mr.Mucho Romz]

eh......Vertigo.....I think you should work more instead of writing posts here at dextrose all the time...heh...
or else they will kick j00 but... http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

/MMR

[Vertigo]

hehe I'm on lunch..... still.... :P