'Mario Story' 320mbit.....

[cte]

....bugger.

Wonder what other up and coming titles are going to be beyond my docs small brain.

[CrowTRobo]

Games that will definately be > 256mbit are Conker, Eternal Darkness and Dinosaur Planet. I also think Banjo-Tooie will be bigger as well.

CrowTRobo

[This message has been edited by CrowTRobo (edited 15 August 2000).]

[cte]

...bugger ...bugger ...bugger and bugger.

[bob1]

damn, can't play this game on my doc v64.
is there any way to like chop the game down to 256mbits?
looks like i might have to buy the game when it comes out in the US.......

[wicket64]

I think Resident Evil Zero will also be > 256Mb!

[This message has been edited by wicket64 (edited 15 August 2000).]

[bob1]

resident evil zero is meant to be coming out on the dolphin instead isn't it?

yeah i downloaded mario story, changed it to v64 format, used C+C as bootcart with Lac's boot emu with my doc v64 and guess what?
the game only loads up to 256Mbits and you see the nintendo start up screen! but after that you see another screen and then the game freezes.
worth a try anyway isn't it?
what happens if i resize the game to 256mbits with RTool?

[arrid]

Well that would be the same thing wouldn't it? Just the first 256mbits of the ROM.

Perhaps someone could move that extra 8megs to any free gaps inside the ROM and change any references to it or something... tho I would imagine that would be very hard to do (if not impossible).

[Sarah]

I imagine that its going to have a nifty protection scheme too.

You know, like protected.

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[SickBoy006]

Crazy idea, but _might_ it be possible to resize the ROM to be smaller than 256 mbit ?

Compressed it is far smaller than 32 Megs (about 22 MB) ??

Anyone any ideas ?


SickBoy

[Zaphod]

If actual empty space is the problem, then a program could optimize the rom.

[arrid]

Sarah: 6103 and flash. LaC's bootemu works fine for it and the country protection.

I'n not sure if it craps out if the flash isin't there tho.

[Zaphod]

I would like to give the ROM a looksie and see if it is possible to "shrink' it's size to something under 32 Meg.

Not much planned for the weekend...

[arrid]

Go for it

Not only will it let everyone else play it, it would also reduce my send time http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[johnny]

why dont someone just do what kalisto is doing for Dc games?

[johnny]

By that i mean cut the frame rate of the fmvs , if it has any , change the music to mono , etc... ? ? ?

or is this possible for n64?

[Zaphod]

I need to find the ROM first...

nudge, nudge, wink, wink... http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/wink.gif

...I'll keep looking...

It's not like I could play it anyway (i have a z).

*this is not a request*

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[SickBoy006]

Look at g4all, there you wil find it.

[Zaphod]

OK, I found it...I'll be taking a look at it later tonight/this weekend. FMV in an N64 game?! RE2 maybe, but not Mario Story http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Zaphod]

00094C20 -- is that an ascii fireflower?
00094E60 -- a star?!
00136350 -- another star?

maybe i've just been looking at it too long.

or it could be just a poor graphic format.

these weird images seem to be everywhere.

(note: view is 16 bytes wide)


[This message has been edited by Zaphod (edited 18 August 2000).]

[Zaphod]

It almost looks as if someone stored their ascii collection in the rom http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

My personal favorite was the programmer's rant in tetris64. If you have the game, you should check it out.

[johnny]

heh , i was just wondering if its possible , maybe take the music out completely??
it rather be able to play a game with no music , than not be able to play it at all
and how big would RE2 be if you could take the fmvs out?

[arrid]

heh, at least they creatively bloated it http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

Oh yeah, could you copy and patse that programmer's rant here? I haven't got the ROM and I'm interested in seeing it http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

Oh and the music thing... it's probably just a sample of an instrument and a midi file, etc.

[Zaphod]

Sorry, but I was wrong. It's in "the new tetris" at 00B8FF90 in the US rom. The PAL rom it is just slightly further (2k maybe).

here it is:

********************START MARTIST RANT************************** I must say, this was a fun time coming down to San Francisco to do The New Tetris. Allthough there were a few problems. First of all being our producer.. D*N, my god.. is this guy useless or what?? I don't hate you D*N.. but you SUCK, and I mean SUCK as a producer. You should go back to testing video games, but I doubt you could even manage that properly. I feel sorry for you. During this project you just sat around and played video games.. starcraft and everquest. Don't even deny that.. when you WERE working, it was making stupid Excel (tm) spreadsheets to try and tell me how many bugs I had left to fix on a graph.. like WTF is that??? who cares.. I have the bug list in front of me, like I need to see it in freaking technicolor. So D*N, I must say this.. hold onto, and fake your job while you can, because once they find out how truely useless you are, you will be out of a job. I cannot think of any skillset you would fit into in this industry, so you better hold on tight. (This guy thought I could save a name in 8.4 BITS.. like umm.. .4 BITS?? WTF is .4 BITS?? its either ON or OFF, not in between... anyhow, Enough about you though. To Nintendo.. It has been nice working with you.. Alot of you are great or were great. Tom 'Snoop Dog' Hertzog - you were great.. one of the nicest people I have ever met at Nintendo. You and your crews bug testing was outstanding and I commend you for the excellent work. Erich Waas - You know we have been friends a long time, but I must say this. After you had accepted the ART form for The New Tetris, and later on your higher ups said it was not UNISEX enough, you slapped the blame on H2O, Chris Bretz in particular. You did not have the balls to accept blame for your mistake, and stuck our entire team under IMMENSE stress and FRENZY. This to save your A$$ from getting in trouble at Nintendo. I still like you Erich, which is more than I can say for the rest of the team that you screwed because of this. But I guess your standing at Nintendo is more important than the friendships you had here. You always knew we had telent and you recognized that. I know you wanted to work with us again one day maybe outside of Nintendo, I think you screwed up those chances though. While I am screaming.. I might as well say this: Niel Voss.. your music is freaking KICK A$$.. you are one really damn talented boy. BUT, you are one of the laziest music guys I think there is http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif You could go far if you wanted to, but you just lack the GO for it. It is a shame. I wish you all the luck and would reccomend you to ANYBODY just because even though everything is last minute, and like pulling teeth, the end result is AMAZING. I am leaving H2O after this project to work at 3DO. I hope this will be a good move for me. I love H2O, As amazingly disorganized of a company it is. I LOVE the people, I have so many good friends there. It will be hard to move on. Of course they will stay my friends. They were more than just co-workers.. they were FRIENDS. They were the people I lived with, spent my days and nights with.. went to bars with, camped with, drank with (alot), did other bad things with (wont elaborate http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif). They are true great friends, and I love them all and will miss them dearly. Allthough Vancouver is only a 2 hour flight away, I hope I can visit often. My best friends would include. Ross, Max, Scott, Jake, Bretz, Roland, Johnny, Sarah.. these are the people I love the most. And I wish you success. My 4.5 years at H2O were basically, making games.. drinking alot, playing pool alot, going to bars and raves and dancing while really screwed up in the head. THAT HAS TO BE THE MOST FUN I HAVE EVER HAD, and probably ever will. The good old days. These guys are in Vancouver right now because I got stuck finishing this project in San Francisco (Which by all means I LOVE and am staying (hence 3DO)) Well boys and girls, I just thought I would immortalize some thoughts I have at the moment into a rom which will be burned forever. This game sucks. The music is great but the game itself is not how we wanted it unfortunately. I mean, it is a good game, but some things could be polished, as well as sped up. Could use another month to finish this thing off AFTER all the bugs are fixed. oh well, woh is me. I would love to give special loves and kisses to the following. My Girlfriend Amy Bond, My Family (Joy, Allyson, Jon Pridie, Brant Sangster), My really really best old friends Selim Arikan, Cory Haberly, Jason Vasilash, Alfred Huger, Oliver Friedrichs. Goodbye H2O, it was a blast, and I mean that with all my heart. (C) 1999 July 1 David Pridie If you are reading this, you can obviously see this disclaimer. All this material belongs to David Pridie. If you find it and want to post it in ANY media format, you must get my permission or feel my wrath http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif. This text if it is ever read, is intended to be read by hackers whom have dumped the contents of this rom and viewed it. That is ALL it is for. And maybe some of them will remember me from the C64 and PC days, Martial Artist of PE/TDT/RAZOR 1911/INC/FLT/TRN/FBR, I was in them all.. and I made trainers and intros mostly. I thank that scene for teaching me how to program, because without it I don't think I would be where I am today. Well that does it 4.5 years and Two games later (Tetrisphere and New Tetris). Unfortunately I wont be working on Nomans Quest.. but oh well. HAPPY CANADA DAY. *****************************END MARTIAL ARTIST RANT ********************

[Zaphod]

And here is the rest of it... (internal server error ... guessing that it just ignores my post because it was way too big)

This is pretty good: the 50ish hated things and the ones about the civic and the games ending in '64'


*************START LUPIN RANT FOR 50 MOST HATED THINGS********************1] Idiot teens hanging out in front of 7'11s, KFC, McDonalds, Jack In The Box etc... Your life REALLY SUCKS if that's the high point of your day...2] A$$holes who spit on the sidewalk.3] Drivers who don't know how to use a turn signal. I can reach mine with my pinky while driving. It's not that hard.4] Teens with their pants around their a$$.5] People with personalized licence plates.6] BMX bikes.7] People panhandling me. Get a job losers! McDonalds is always hiring!8] Bums with dogs. I'm sure the dog loves eating cheese from old pizza boxes.9] The cheeseheads from asia who take a Honda Civic, slap some stickers on it, put a muffler on it that makes it sound like a riding lawnmower, a ridiculous sized fin on the back and think they have a formula 1 racer. 'Devastating Power!' my a$$!10] The same idiots who then drive their 'hot' civic like they are in the Indy 500 through busy traffic.11] The huge complex hairdos on african american women, 5 layers, 6000 curls, 4 sprouting areas, 200 dangling bits, 6000 beads, air conditioning and enough hairspray in it that it wouldn't move if Hurricane George hit it.12] People with Kleenex, plants, knitted blankets, stuffed animals, or lacey things in their cars rear window. I should be allowed to pull over and shoot them.13] People on the bus who talk so loud your forced to hear about their pointless lives.14] Crappy parkers who park their car REALLY close to the painted line so that you have half a foot to get out.15] Those old cars (ie, Cadillacs, Lincoln Town Cars, etc...)usually white for some strange reason... with the acient driver who always drives WAY under the speed limit.16] People who write a cheque for a $2 bag of nachos at Safeway.17] Corvettes, Comaros and Firebirds. Come on, the 80s are OVER!18] A$$hole tailgaters.19] Idiots who think they can pedal a bike as fast as a car, so they ride in the middle of a traffic lane. You should be allowed to run them over, it looks like natural selection to me.20] Teenagers on television news reports expressing their opinions on something. If your under 18 I don't give a sh1t about what you have to say...21] The singer Brandy, Celine Dion, all the divas....22] Twits who wear a huge parka outside when its sunny and a mild 5-10 C. The same thing goes with the whole scarf thing.23] Muni busses that smell like urine. Which is most of them.24] Corporate Broadcasting logos in the corner of the channel your watching.25] Web pages that pop open other pages and windows and then disable your 'back' button.26] People who walk around with a huge 'portable' stereos blaring, sharing their music with everyone around them. Usually crap rap.27] Junk mail.28] Peice of sh1t cars that spew out huge noxious clouds behind them.29] People that throw out huge items on the curb expecting the garbage people to remove it. Like old dirty matresses. They don't of course, and it sits on the curb for weeks.30] Budweiser beer and the people who drink it. I'd rather suck the piss out of a pig... Its time to poison the bud.31] Drivers who turn onto the road RIGHT in front of you causing you to slam on the brakes, even though there is no one for hundereds of feet behind you.32] People who drive 3/4 in one lane and 1/4 in another... what the hell is that????33] Religous people who push their drivel on you when your walking down the street. Or come knocking on your door.34] Dead web page links and 'Document not found' errors.35] Racisist people and the crap they spew out.36] Those stupid add banners from Geocities on the Internet when you hit someones home page going through them...37] All country music.38] Minivans.39] People who spray paint their names on rocks, signs, trees etc, in national parks. Like I care that Bill graduated in 86.40] Small yappy 'feeder' dogs. Like little Yorkies, poodles, etc...41] People in the fast lane who drive just 2 km/hr faster than the guy in the 'slow' lane, dawdling along.42] Film crews making bad movies most people doent want to see blocking the streets and being annoying.43] Big fat bugs that splat on my windshield.44] Those really tight spandex cycling pants on men, they are usually sooooo tight, you can tell if they are cirumcised.45] Those really tight spandex cycling pants on 90% of the women. Big fat a$$es and *wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide* camel toes.46] Those really annoying commericals from Rogers Cable that tell you all about the 'evils' of satalite tv and how lucky you are to be getting cable for a mere $65 a month.47] Commercials that are SO bad on tv, you have to wonder about the sh1t for brains who thought them up. Like the Old Navy commericals, or the old as hell commercial for Sarah Lee, that is STILL ON THE AIR, 'let them eat cake' and 'But Patrick, I'm to old for life insurance.' Shoot them ALL!48] Losers that listen to totally cheezy radio stations and then slap dozens of their stupid stickers all over thier car.49] Lilith Fair. I say when they are all hugging, listening to the music, sharing tampons, and bitching about how evil men are, toss in a few hundered grenades while recording it on camera. Sell the video as a 'To Hot for TV' tape late at night.50] Cheap a$$ manufacturers of DVDs who list as 'features' chapters, interactive menues, and the time. These arent features. Thats like calling your computers keyboard a 'feature'. Lame a$$ marketing people.51] DVD manufactureres that sell their DVDs for $40 and up, just because they know people will pay for it. DVDs have actually become MORE expensive than when they first came out.52] Nintendo and everything about them.53] Old people who clog up the sidewalk walking super slow when you want to get somewhere.54] Looking at demo-reels at work that are so incredibly bad, that I just want to call them up and tell them to go f*ck their demo reel and to never EVER send another one out to anybody. EVER.55] Spiders. All spiders. Everyone of them.56] How on the Nintendo 64 game machine, half the damn titles for it are called 'miscvidgame 64'. Why not come up with a real name? Why is everyone just slapping a 64 on all the games?************************************END LUPIN RANT************************

[arrid]

lol...

hey he said he went to work for 3DO... maybe he's put a load of text into some of their games too, like Army Men Air Combat.

I know how he feels about the "miscgamename 64" things tho, I mean how many SNES games had "Super" at the start?

[Mr.Mucho Romz]

heh....can you actually post this? http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

/MMR

[arrid]

I hardly think Nintendo will shut Dextrose down for posting that...

Anyway in Army Men Air Combat if you skip along to 00309620 you start getting ASCII art.

[CrowTRobo]

Hahahahahah! Interesting to see that the programmer was in all those groups. http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

I especially like rants 24, 46 & 47.

CrowTRobo

[arrid]

I like #52 http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/smile.gif

[cte]

Thats mad... Lupins rants seem to be mainly driving rants, CrowTRobo's r all tv rants, and arrids choice seems to be about N64..

Maybe this is telling us something about u guys..... hehe...

[Zaphod]

I haven't had a chance to officialy check if 8 megs can be dropped from the rom, but it doesn't look as if there is that much free space.

I'll see about writting something to check for free space vs code. the data vs free space is going to be tricky.

[Paul_Bunyan]

I downloaded it just for the heck of it, even though I can't play it http://www.dextrose.com/ubb/frown.gif , but zipped up it's only like 22Mbytes...Which leads me to beleive there's a lot of loose and un-optomized code there...But is it even worth making playable? Doesn't seem like such s great game...

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[ss_forces]

if you knew how the compression methods worked you'd know that it's compressed size tells you almost nothing at all about the space to data ratio.

[Paul_Bunyan]

Just an observation...And actually it does tell you more than you think...

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[_Rza_]

kirby 64 is almost the same, 256mbit game which zips to 12 megs...i dont think it means anything in regards to "loose or un-optimized code" anyways this game kicks ass and it'll be nice when the USA version is out.

[the doctor]

excuse me for asking but cant you just stick a 64 meg dimm in the doctor I have a 512 but it looks like a 64 meg dimm to me! If 256 docs are the same that is.